More Conversations with Atheists

The youtubing atheists have returned. At least one of them has: youtuber #2. Here we go...

(Youtuber#2)
Even if homosexuality was a choice, why are you doing the exact opposite of what you're saying Jesus did? 1 Peter 4:15 "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." When you start telling other people how they should live their lives and forcing your doctrine upon them, you are not helping them.This boycott is pointless. You're enforcing bigotry and bringing people down, when you should be building them up.

(Me)
Wow. Now you're using Scripture for your arguments? You don't agree with the Bible, but will use it for your purposes? As for forcing doctrine, isn't that what McDonalds is doing by promoting that lifestyle? And the boycott is not pointless. The point is that McDonalds should stick to making Big Macs. Period. The boycott is about nothing else to me.

(Youtuber#2)
And if you wanna talk about so-called "choice", how many teenagers have killed themselves upon realizing they were gay, because it'd been driven into their heads from birth that it was immoral and wrong? If it was a choice, why wouldn't they just choose to not be gay if it was so bad?In Leviticus 20:13, "abomination" came from the Hebrew word "to'ebah" which was translated into "bdelygma"- ritual impurity. Which lumps it into the same category as eating shellfish, etc. Not applicable anymore.

(Me)
This is from a book review of "Helminiak: Lying for Gays." It's found at http://www.amazon.com/review/RUIQBOYOD2Z32. This is from the fifth paragraph. "Then we come to Helminiak's best lie. His word study of toevah and bdelygma on p. 64-65. Toevah is the Hebrew word usually translated as abomination and bdelygma is the Septuagint Greek equivalent translation. Toevah is used in the Levitical prohibitions on male-male sex in Lev 18:22 and 20:13. He confidently asserts that toevah means "what is culturally or ritually forbidden" it is not a sin. He then compounds the error by saying that the Greek translation bdelygma, which he says, means a "ritual offense". When I looked up the meaning of the words toevah and bdelygma, the actual meanings of these two words is nowhere near as narrow as Helminiak implies. Toevah can be used in both a ritual and a moral sense, the same as bdelygma. In Lev 18:26-30 toevah is used four times and refers to adultery, child-sacrifice, male-male intercourse and bestiality (in Lev 18:20-23), bdelygma translates toevah in three of these verses. In the New Testament bdelygma is used of the "abomination of desolation" (Mat 24:15)."
Your argument is not new, do you have anything else?

The sad part is that youtuber#2 is just using other people's ideas and making them his/her own. We'll see what they come up with next.

Conversations with Atheists

I've gotten involved with a couple of youtubers over this mcdonalds boycott video (see below). One proclaims the Bible cannot be proven true because the Bible says it is and the other says the Bible is full of contradictions, then changes his/her mind. I haven't talked to either one since.


(Youtube poster #1)
just a note to the "48% who agree with scripture":your scripture is written by humans, with no inspiration from the divine. and even though you shroud your stance by hiding behind the words of long-since-dead men, that doesn't make you any less of a bigot.are you hateful? yes. yes you are.

(Me)
2 Timothy Chapter 3 verse 16 and 17: "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

(Youtube poster#1)
brian:first, you cannot prove the bible is true by showing us that the bible SAYS it is true. besides, we all know the koran has been given to us as a more updated set of commands. would you like me to cite you where the koran says that its words take precedence over those of the bible as evidence of this? (LOL)and on a related note, 2 timothy was written long before it or any other future NT writings would ever be considered "scripture". the human church decided what would be "scripture".

(Youtube poster #2)
That's circular logic for ya. Because the Bible SAYS it was written by God and is the ultimate truth, it MUST be! That's like me saying my mother was a horse. Whelp, I said it, you gotta believe me doncha? It must be true!I think the Bible has a lot of good teachings in it that we should follow simply because it's good advice. But there are also so many blatant contradictions it's impossible to follow the whole thing righteously.

(Me)
Give me an example of a contradiction and I will discuss it with you. I challenge you, however, to find this contradiction yourself. Think for yourself rather than jumping on a bandwagon. And, before anyone accuses me of jumping on the bandwagon too, the reason for the boycott is because McDonalds has chosen a side against us. Therefore, we're not eating there until McD's goes neutral. Anyway, enjoy getting fat.

(Youtube poster#2)
Ok... I take back what I said about the contradictions. Apparently most of those are due to translation error, which naturally happens frequently between Hebrew/Greek and English. Circular logic still stands, however.I was unaware of this "sides" thing going on. Are you talking about Homosexuality vs. Christianity? Because that's ridiculous. Homosexuality is not a religion, it's a sexual orientation. And Christianity is not about hating gays, it's about loving your fellow man. Think, WWJD?

(Me)
You know, good question. What WOULD Jesus do? I know what He DID do. He gave His life willingly on the cross to pay for the sins of man that whoever would believe would be saved (John 3:16). The Bible tells us that the teachers of Israel despised Jesus Christ for eating with and talking to sinners. He responded by saying the healthy do not need a doctor, but the sick do. Jesus would do what we all do, love the sinner, hate the sin. Homosexuality is a choice that is an abomination to God.

Like I said, I haven't heard from either one since.

My family and I went to Indianapolis last night to watch the Colts play Jacksonville. Going in, we were a little worried about the Colts' chances. After all, they did come back masterfully against Minnesota the week before, but we were worried nonetheless.

Our main concern was that Jacksonville would run the ball alot and run the clock by keeping the possession. According to AP, the Jaguars kept the ball for 41 minutes. They had over 220 yards rushing. Peyton Manning threw two interceptions and a ref fell down during a punt return. (The ref falling down while backpedaling didn't affect the game, but it was funny.)

Anyway, with around two minutes left in the fourth quarter, the Jags were up 20-14 and Manning takes over again. He just has great plays in him somewhere that he can just draw on. The Colts score the TD, kick the extra point and with about a minute to go, the Colts are winning 21-20. I then noticed on the scoreboard that the Titans beat Houston. That put the hope of being tied for first with Tenn out of reac for now.

Then Jacksonville marched to mid-field and kicked a 51-yard field goal that let all the air out of the stadium. The Colts then tried some lateral passing on the punt return for the remaining 4 seconds and it was over.

So now, Tennessee is 3-0 and the Colts are 1-2, tied for second with Jacksonville, and leaving their fans with the hope the offensive line can protect Manning better and the defense can stop the Jaguars running game, or anyone's running game for that matter.

The Colts have a week off then face the Texans on 10/5.

Go Colts!